Le topic de l'Europa League

[epopee76]

21h impeccable ! Je peux donc venir

[sebco]

Pour tenter de nous rassurer un peu (il faut admettre que nous en avons un peu besoin), les résultats détaillés des clubs grecs en coupe d’Europe ces 4 dernières saisons (source Wikipedia, a priori c'est fiable sur ce sujet):

2015/2016

Olympiakos

Poules de LDC : 3e derrière le Bayern Munich et Arsenal et devant le Dinamo Zagreb, reversé en 1/16e d’Europa
1/16e d’Europa : éliminé par Anderlecht

Panathinaikos

Tour de qualif de LDC : éliminé par le FC Bruges, reversé en barrages d’Europa
Barrages d’Europa : éliminé par Qabala

Asteras Tripolis

Poules d’Europa : 3e derrière Schalke 04, le Sparta Prague et devant l’APOEL Nicosie

Atromitos

3e tour de qualif d’Europa : vainqueur d’AIK Solna
Barrages d’Europa : éliminé par Fenerbahce

PAOK Salonique

2e tour de qualif d’Europa : vainqueur de Lokomotiva Zagreb
3e tour de qualif d’Europa : vainqueur de Spartak Trnava
Barrages d’Europa : vainqueur de Brondby
Poules d’Europa : 3e derrière Krasnodar, le Borussia Dortmund et devant Qabala

2014/2015

Olympiakos

Poules de LDC : 3e derrière l’Atlético Madrid et la Juventus et devant Malmo, reversé en 1/16e d’Europa
1/16e d’Europa : éliminé par Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk

Panathinaikos

3e tour de qualif de LDC : éliminé par le Standard de Liège, reversé en barrages d’Europa
Barrages d’Europa : vainqueur de Midtjylland
Poules d’Europa : 4e derrière Dynamo Moscou, PSV Eindhoven et Estoril Praia

PAOK Salonique

Barrages d’Europa : vainqueur de Zimbru Chisinau
Poules d’Europa : 3e derrière Fiorentina et Guingamp et devant Dynamo Minsk

Atromitos

3e tour de qualif d’Europa : éliminé par FK Sarajevo

Asteras tripolis :

2e tour de qualif d’Europa : vainqueur de RoPS Rovaniemi
3e tour de qualif Europa : vainqueur de Mayence
Barrages d’Europa : vainqueur de Maccabi Tel Aviv
Poules d’Europa : 3e derrière Tottenham et Besiktas et devant Partizan Belgrade

2013/2014

Olympiakos

Poules de LDC : 2e derrière le PSG et devant Benfica et Anderlecht
1/16e de LDC : éliminé par Manchester United

PAOK Salonique

3e tour de qualif de LDC : éliminé par Metalist Kharkov mais réintégré aux barrages suite à l’exclusion du club ukrainien
Barrages de LDC : éliminé par Schalke 04, reversé en poules d’Europa
Poules d’Europa : 2e derrière AZ Alkmaar et devant Maccabi Haifa et Shakhtyor Karagandy
1/16e d’Europa : éliminé par Benfica

Atromitos

Barrages d’Europa : éliminé par AZ Alkmaar

Asteras tripolis

3e tour de qualif d’Europa : éliminé par le Rapid Vienne

Skoda Xanthi

2e tour de qualif d’Europa : vainqueur de Linfield
3e tour de qualif d’Europa : éliminé par le Standard de Liège

2012/2013

Olympiakos

Poules de LDC : 3e derrière Schalke 04 et Arsenal et devant Montpellier, reversé en 1/16e d’Europa
1/16e d’Europa : éliminé par Levante

Panathinaikos

3e tour de qualif de LDC : vainqueur de Motherwell
Barrages de LDC : éliminé par Malaga, reversé en poules d’Europa
Poules d’Europa : 3e derrière Lazio Rome et Tottenham et devant Maribor

Atromitos

Barrages d’Europa

PAOK Salonique

3e tour de qualif d’Europa : vainqueur de Bnei Yehoudah
Barrages d’Europa : éliminé par Newcastle

Asteras Tripolis

2e tour de qualif d’Europa : vainqueur de Inter Bakou
3e tour de qualif d’Europa : éliminé par CS Maritimo

[Gueute]

Florent Houzot a retweeté ASSE
[EXCLU] RDV le jeudi 28/07 à 21h sur @beinsports_FR @ASSEofficiel vs @AEK_FC_OFFICIAL match aller Q3 @EuropaLeague

[Rabesandratana Roi]

Hello dear ASSE fans,

Sorry that I'm writing in English, but my French is worse than Pepe Le Pew. I hope you can understand me or maybe Google Translate.
We saw back at our AEK forum that you couldn't register, so I came here in peace to answer all your questions.

A bit of old history:
AEK is one of the big teams of Greece. It's 3rd in terms of titles and fans, but in our hearts it's always first. We have never been a team of the establishment, while Olympiakos and Panathinaikos always had more political power and help from referees etc.
AEK has a history since 1924, it was founded by refugees from Constantinople that had to leave their homes and come to Greece. We had some of the best Greek football teams (for example in 70s and 90s), but many times we lost titles because of other reasons. We are also the only Greek team to have made it to the quarter final of every European competition (Champions Cup, Cup Winner's Cup and UEFA Cup (semi-finals))

A bit of newer history:
We had some financial problems, but at 2004 those problems seemed to be solved. New owners came, AEK managed to be strong again and in 2008 we won the championship with a great team, having some Greek internationals and good foreign players like Rivaldo. However Olympiakos appealed for a match they had lost and they won the case, getting three more points and stealing our championship. This was the beginning of the end. The AEK owners stopped paying and our only hope was to win a trial against a former president, a well-known mafioso that had stolen millions of Euros from our team. Unfortunately the trial was always postponed by him and we couldn't get back the money.

Without any money and with huge debts, AEK was forbidden to buy players and in 2012-13 with a real bad team and with some fixed results by other teams we were relegated to 2nd Division. ??? had never been relegated. In order to write off the debts, AEK did not play in the 2nd division and went straight to the 3rd division. It was the worst moment in our history. Fans were crying and we had to endure our rivals' banter. We made a new start, against small teams in 3rd division.

We managed to get to 1st Division again in 2 seasons and last year we returned and won the Greek cup (while also winning Olympiakos twice). We were 2nd until the end of the championship, but lost that place to Panathinaikos. In the play-offs our team was very tired (because of the many games and the Cup Final) and so we went to 4th.
Unfortunately, our new owner (who was president also during our Golden Era in 1990s) seems to run the team in a very tight budget so we don't spend much money on new players. We have a decent team. Very good midfielders and wingbacks, decent defenders, but we had a huge problem in attack. We got Hugo Almeida and we hope he can help, although I don't see him playing in the first game.
We will have another couple of transfers, but again I don't know if they will make it for the Europa League games. Our tradition against French teams is disastrous and we were unlucky to draw ASSE. However, we will fight for the games and our players will try to win. Don't forget it's been now many years since we didn't play in Europe and for AEK that's a disgrace.

Our stadium was called Nikos Goumas and it was one of the best stadiums in Europe in terms of atmosphere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tYHGc-HJXA

However an earthquake nearly destroyed it (a lot of Greek drama in AEK history). AEK demolished it and tried to build a new one in the same place, but ecologists and other people went to courts and banned this new stadium. Now we are trying again to build it there, but we are against bureaucracy and the leftist government. Since 2004 we are playing in the Olympic Stadium. We can make a great atmosphere there too, but I don't believe we will have more than 30.000 fans against ASSE, nothing like this against Milan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAeISrA5Ams

For people wanting to travel to Greece, we don't usually have any problems with foreign fans. It is pretty safe. Have in mind though, that our Ultras are friends with the OM Ultras and I don't know what is your relationship with them.

That's all. If you have any questions ask me.

[Guinnessisgood]

Hello dear ASSE fans,

Sorry that I'm writing in English, but my French is worse than Pepe Le Pew. I hope you can understand me or maybe Google Translate.
We saw back at our AEK forum that you couldn't register, so I came here in peace to answer all your questions.

A bit of old history:
AEK is one of the big teams of Greece. It's 3rd in terms of titles and fans, but in our hearts it's always first. We have never been a team of the establishment, while Olympiakos and Panathinaikos always had more political power and help from referees etc.
AEK has a history since 1924, it was founded by refugees from Constantinople that had to leave their homes and come to Greece. We had some of the best Greek football teams (for example in 70s and 90s), but many times we lost titles because of other reasons. We are also the only Greek team to have made it to the quarter final of every European competition (Champions Cup, Cup Winner's Cup and UEFA Cup (semi-finals))

A bit of newer history:
We had some financial problems, but at 2004 those problems seemed to be solved. New owners came, AEK managed to be strong again and in 2008 we won the championship with a great team, having some Greek internationals and good foreign players like Rivaldo. However Olympiakos appealed for a match they had lost and they won the case, getting three more points and stealing our championship. This was the beginning of the end. The AEK owners stopped paying and our only hope was to win a trial against a former president, a well-known mafioso that had stolen millions of Euros from our team. Unfortunately the trial was always postponed by him and we couldn't get back the money.

Without any money and with huge debts, AEK was forbidden to buy players and in 2012-13 with a real bad team and with some fixed results by other teams we were relegated to 2nd Division. ??? had never been relegated. In order to write off the debts, AEK did not play in the 2nd division and went straight to the 3rd division. It was the worst moment in our history. Fans were crying and we had to endure our rivals' banter. We made a new start, against small teams in 3rd division.

We managed to get to 1st Division again in 2 seasons and last year we returned and won the Greek cup (while also winning Olympiakos twice). We were 2nd until the end of the championship, but lost that place to Panathinaikos. In the play-offs our team was very tired (because of the many games and the Cup Final) and so we went to 4th.
Unfortunately, our new owner (who was president also during our Golden Era in 1990s) seems to run the team in a very tight budget so we don't spend much money on new players. We have a decent team. Very good midfielders and wingbacks, decent defenders, but we had a huge problem in attack. We got Hugo Almeida and we hope he can help, although I don't see him playing in the first game.
We will have another couple of transfers, but again I don't know if they will make it for the Europa League games. Our tradition against French teams is disastrous and we were unlucky to draw ASSE. However, we will fight for the games and our players will try to win. Don't forget it's been now many years since we didn't play in Europe and for AEK that's a disgrace.

Our stadium was called Nikos Goumas and it was one of the best stadiums in Europe in terms of atmosphere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tYHGc-HJXA

However an earthquake nearly destroyed it (a lot of Greek drama in AEK history). AEK demolished it and tried to build a new one in the same place, but ecologists and other people went to courts and banned this new stadium. Now we are trying again to build it there, but we are against bureaucracy and the leftist government. Since 2004 we are playing in the Olympic Stadium. We can make a great atmosphere there too, but I don't believe we will have more than 30.000 fans against ASSE, nothing like this against Milan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAeISrA5Ams

For people wanting to travel to Greece, we don't usually have any problems with foreign fans. It is pretty safe. Have in mind though, that our Ultras are friends with the OM Ultras and I don't know what is your relationship with them.

That's all. If you have any questions ask me.

OM Fans is one of our most important rivalities, the most important for us is our rivality with lyon

[Platoche]

Hello dear ASSE fans,

Sorry that I'm writing in English, but my French is worse than Pepe Le Pew. I hope you can understand me or maybe Google Translate.
We saw back at our AEK forum that you couldn't register, so I came here in peace to answer all your questions.

A bit of old history:
AEK is one of the big teams of Greece. It's 3rd in terms of titles and fans, but in our hearts it's always first. We have never been a team of the establishment, while Olympiakos and Panathinaikos always had more political power and help from referees etc.
AEK has a history since 1924, it was founded by refugees from Constantinople that had to leave their homes and come to Greece. We had some of the best Greek football teams (for example in 70s and 90s), but many times we lost titles because of other reasons. We are also the only Greek team to have made it to the quarter final of every European competition (Champions Cup, Cup Winner's Cup and UEFA Cup (semi-finals))

A bit of newer history:
We had some financial problems, but at 2004 those problems seemed to be solved. New owners came, AEK managed to be strong again and in 2008 we won the championship with a great team, having some Greek internationals and good foreign players like Rivaldo. However Olympiakos appealed for a match they had lost and they won the case, getting three more points and stealing our championship. This was the beginning of the end. The AEK owners stopped paying and our only hope was to win a trial against a former president, a well-known mafioso that had stolen millions of Euros from our team. Unfortunately the trial was always postponed by him and we couldn't get back the money.

Without any money and with huge debts, AEK was forbidden to buy players and in 2012-13 with a real bad team and with some fixed results by other teams we were relegated to 2nd Division. ??? had never been relegated. In order to write off the debts, AEK did not play in the 2nd division and went straight to the 3rd division. It was the worst moment in our history. Fans were crying and we had to endure our rivals' banter. We made a new start, against small teams in 3rd division.

We managed to get to 1st Division again in 2 seasons and last year we returned and won the Greek cup (while also winning Olympiakos twice). We were 2nd until the end of the championship, but lost that place to Panathinaikos. In the play-offs our team was very tired (because of the many games and the Cup Final) and so we went to 4th.
Unfortunately, our new owner (who was president also during our Golden Era in 1990s) seems to run the team in a very tight budget so we don't spend much money on new players. We have a decent team. Very good midfielders and wingbacks, decent defenders, but we had a huge problem in attack. We got Hugo Almeida and we hope he can help, although I don't see him playing in the first game.
We will have another couple of transfers, but again I don't know if they will make it for the Europa League games. Our tradition against French teams is disastrous and we were unlucky to draw ASSE. However, we will fight for the games and our players will try to win. Don't forget it's been now many years since we didn't play in Europe and for AEK that's a disgrace.

Our stadium was called Nikos Goumas and it was one of the best stadiums in Europe in terms of atmosphere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tYHGc-HJXA

However an earthquake nearly destroyed it (a lot of Greek drama in AEK history). AEK demolished it and tried to build a new one in the same place, but ecologists and other people went to courts and banned this new stadium. Now we are trying again to build it there, but we are against bureaucracy and the leftist government. Since 2004 we are playing in the Olympic Stadium. We can make a great atmosphere there too, but I don't believe we will have more than 30.000 fans against ASSE, nothing like this against Milan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAeISrA5Ams

For people wanting to travel to Greece, we don't usually have any problems with foreign fans. It is pretty safe. Have in mind though, that our Ultras are friends with the OM Ultras and I don't know what is your relationship with them.

That's all. If you have any questions ask me.

OM Fans is one of our most important rivalities, the most important for us is our rivality with lyon

The most important for us, is VICTORY, the rest is "Pipi de chat"

[Kuba]

Interesting summary, welcome!
I didn't know about the earthquake, that's very unlucky...

About OM fans, we don't love them... But one of our ultra groups is friend with Aris fans, so it's the same rivalry for you as I know

[Rabesandratana Roi]

Yes, I know about the Lyon rivalry. I wasn't sure about your relationship with OM.
We have played against PSG a couple of times and OM fans traveled with our fans.
We have also played against Monaco and Lille twice.
This is from OM-Olympiakos in Velodrome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJeb9KW9z7w

About Aris, it's not a big rivalry. We don't consider Aris a big team in football (only in basketball), but there have been some incidents in games and there is some hatred.

Although Greeks don't watch Ligue 1 much, in the AEK forum we have 3-4 people that support ASSE in France.

As for my nickname it's because of this guy:


He is still considered one of the worst transfers in Greek football. He was very very fat when he came.

[osvaldopiazzolla]

Ugeia Sou Rabesandratana Roi, efcharisto poli. I have one question about greek football. Do you share in common with Panathinaikos a disgust about Olympiakos, their everpresent treachery, corruption, fixed matches and complacency from the UEFA (unlike many other eastern clubs that are banned for minor reasons, Olympiakos seem to enjoy complete immunity), due to the very presence of the Olympiakos dynasty in the UEFA administration (and is it even worse since Infantino took power?).

Another one about the Katidis nazi salute: what were the reactions of the gate 21 ?

(Allez, les Greens c'est le moment de ressortir votre banderole skathombatsoi)

[Rabesandratana Roi]

Ugeia Sou Rabesandratana Roi, efcharisto poli. I have one question about greek football. Do you share in common with Panathinaikos a disgust about Olympiakos, their everpresent treachery, corruption, fixed matches and complacency from the UEFA (unlike many other eastern clubs that are banned for minor reasons, Olympiakos seem to enjoy complete immunity), due to the very presence of the Olympiakos dynasty in the UEFA administration (and is it even worse since Infantino took power?).

Another one about the Katidis nazi salute: what were the reactions of the gate 21 ?

(Allez, les Greens c'est le moment de ressortir votre banderole skathombatsoi)

You seem to know a lot about Greek football.
AEK, PAOK and Panathinaikos are trying to stop the Olympiakos regime in Greek football. The Olympiakos president is mixed in a series of scandals but he seems to get away all the time and they are not punished from UEFA.

Katidis was a persona non grata for the ultras of the team. It was a very bad moment for us. The player left the club immediately after that.

[merlin]

Ugeia Sou Rabesandratana Roi, efcharisto poli. I have one question about greek football. Do you share in common with Panathinaikos a disgust about Olympiakos, their everpresent treachery, corruption, fixed matches and complacency from the UEFA (unlike many other eastern clubs that are banned for minor reasons, Olympiakos seem to enjoy complete immunity), due to the very presence of the Olympiakos dynasty in the UEFA administration (and is it even worse since Infantino took power?).

Another one about the Katidis nazi salute: what were the reactions of the gate 21 ?

(Allez, les Greens c'est le moment de ressortir votre banderole skathombatsoi)

OP , quel que soit le topic , quelle que soit la langue , il atteint le point le point Godwin
C'est magique ...

[magicseb42]

http://www.francefootball.fr/news/Diego ... ili/708229


Leur meneur de jeu a quitté l' AEK.

[___]

Welcome, Eric Roi (it's shorter, I'm a bit lazy, and it's a joke with a French football guy that you may not know in Greece )

Saint-Etienne is at the end of a period : in 2011, a new generation of players came to the club and made us a good French team again (it's our best years since the very beginning of the 80's ; we had our share of scandals, mafiosos, money problems, incompetent staff and unfair institutionnal decisions). But we didn't manage to get the top, the style of play went less and less spectacular, coach and president look nervous, and there's today a need for a brand new start.

Today, the real level of the team is pretty unpredictible : the goalkeeper is awesome, but the defense seems a bit weak. In the midfield (defensive and offensive), there's a mix between old and new players - they played few matches together. Finally, all the forwards came to the club last summer or last winter.

We usually play with two lines of four men and one centre-forward. The other guy is sometimes an anchor man, sometimes a second strike. We used a few times systems with 3 centre-backs, but it would be a real surprise we played against AEK in this shape.

[Rabesandratana Roi]

Is it about Cantona?


I used to like Ligue 1 because of the all the suspense, but now I cannot stand all these hilariously rich teams (especially PSG) that destroy football. I imagine that you hate it too.
We have two young inexperienced Greek goalkeepers. They are talented but they have a lot of work to do. They will probably be internationals at some point, but they still don't have any experience of European games.
Our defense consists of Chygrynskiy and a Greek decent central defender. Chygrynskiy was a transfer for Barcelona some years ago but he never made it. His career was very bad after that and personally I'm not sure about him. Our left and right defenders are from Spain and Brazil and they are pretty good.
We have two excellent defensive midfielders who I believe will be sold for much money in the future. Simoes and Johansson from Portugal and Sweden.
Our system is usually 4-2-3-1 with a very good Greek international attacking midfielder called Mantalos playing in front of the other two. At left there is Barbosa another Portuguese that is pretty good and usually at right there is Ronald Vargas from Venezuela (played in both Brugge and Anderlecht). Our striker is usually Aravidis, he is not the best striker in the world, but he is a passionate player (also a fanatic fan of the team) who runs for every ball. Almeida is not ready to start.

Judging from the new coach and his style, I believe we will play defensively in the first game, trying to avoid any goals and maybe score one, especially from a foul or a corner. My odds are 60-40 for ASSE.

[___]

Is it about Cantona?

I didn't even think to him It was him :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ric_Roy

I used to like Ligue 1 because of the all the suspense, but now I cannot stand all these hilariously rich teams (especially PSG) that destroy football. I imagine that you hate it too.

Oh yes... but it's not a feeling shared by everybody. Some people (including on this forum) hope that another Emir or Russian/Chinese/American/whatever billionnaire come to Saint-Etienne.

[toujoursverts]

@Rabesandratana Roi : see your PM !

[CeBri]

Je sais pas si ça été mentionné, mais l'AEK joue l'Aris Limassol à 17h30 aujourd'hui.

[LE MARQUIS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCK_6qu8qOE[/video]

[Galcian]

Hello Rabesandratana, very nice to see you here.
Indeed, I tried to register on your forum, but it seems that we only can on certain date or whatever, and as it is written in greek, it is kind of difficult to sort it out ^^

I've seen that you've signed Bakasetas, who seems to be a very promising forward. You don't think he will start ?

Anyway, same as you, we have mixed-feelings about meeting you at this stage. On the one hand, it is cool to meet a Greek club with awesom fans and atmosphere (we went to Moldova & Romania the others times, so...) but on the other hand, it is always difficult to pick up such a strong club so early. It is clearly, from that point, the worst pick-up.

From a personal point of view, I didn't knew much about Greek football apart from Olympiakos winning everything (like in France, Germany, Italy, & even Spain or England, football is getting so much boring these days) but I found your history very very interesting indeed : the club of Greeks banned from Turkey by the Lausanne treaty, founded by Constantinople inhabitants with the Byzantin Empire coat of arms. For a history passionate and an absolute nutjob about the Byzantin Empire like me, your club as so much romantism
I'm alreayd happy that we have crossed path just for that

[Friteuse normale]

I used to like Ligue 1 because of the all the suspense, but now I cannot stand all these hilariously rich teams (especially PSG) that destroy football. I imagine that you hate it too.

True football fans definitely don't appreciate this domination of such an OP team (and it has nothing to do with osvaldopiazzolla ). But since a couple of years the institutions try to drain a more consumptive public that only wants world-class players and entertainment and that will go to the stadium as they go to the theater. Because of that, bitching on teams like Saint-Étienne, Rennes or Bordeaux that do what they can with the players they can afford became a national sport among the football "experts", because they are soooo shit compared to the glorious PSG. Some journalists even stated that the PSG lost in Champions League because the national Championship was too weak for them.

I feel like we have about 60% of chances to pass this round too. It's a good thing to be sorted against a great name because the players will take it 100% seriously, but I'm not very confident.

Welcome here, by the way !

[Borotj42]

Je change légérement de sujet, je n'arrive pas à acheter ma place sur la billetterie en ligne.
D'autres ont le même problème ???

[osvaldopiazzolla]

Hugo Almeida je suis pas sûr qu'ona it joué contre lui avec le Werder, mais Vargas avec bruges, j'en suis preque sûr.

il me semble que c'est lui qui tirait leurs coups francs dans la boîte avec leur stratégie bizarre.

[aissopic]

Hugo Almeida je suis pas sûr qu'ona it joué contre lui avec le Werder, mais Vargas avec bruges, j'en suis preque sûr.

il me semble que c'est lui qui tirait leurs coups francs dans la boîte avec leur stratégie bizarre.

sisi OP, à l'aller et au retour :
http://www.asse-stats.com/match-18-mars ... rder-breme
http://www.asse-stats.com/match-12-mars ... rder-breme

et vargas a marqué le but belge (si c'est le même)
http://www.asse-stats.com/match-27-nove ... -fc-bruges

[Friteuse normale]

Je change légérement de sujet, je n'arrive pas à acheter ma place sur la billetterie en ligne.
D'autres ont le même problème ???

J'ai aussi eu pas mal de problèmes mais j'ai quand même réussi à commander. Tu en es à quelle étape ?

[Borotj42]

Je change légérement de sujet, je n'arrive pas à acheter ma place sur la billetterie en ligne.
D'autres ont le même problème ???

J'ai aussi eu pas mal de problèmes mais j'ai quand même réussi à commander. Tu en es à quelle étape ?

C'est bon j'ai réussi, il y a fallu que je mette une photo, j’hallucine ! j'étais bloqué à l'espèce de fiche client car je pensais pas que pour acheter une place, il fallait une photo ...
merci !